Tuesday, October 14, 2008

Required: a different attitude by the Indian government, and by all the Infidel governments

Hugh Fitzgerald
Jihad Watch

India, as the object of Islamic conquest, endured, over the centuries of Muslim rule and misrule, tens of millions of Hindu victims. India is a country that, at its Independence, was forced to give up large chunks of its territory on both sides to form West Pakistan (now Pakistan) and East Pakistan (now Bangladesh), in order to accommodate Muslim demands. In Pakistan, at Partition, 15% of the population was Hindu; it is now 1.5%. In Bangladesh, at Partition, 34% of the population was non-Muslim (Hindu and Buddhist); it is now 7%. Meanwhile, in India, the Muslim percentage of the population steadily rises.

In the Pakistan-held parts of Jammu and Kashmir, 400,000 Hindu Pandits have, by Muslim pressure, been driven out. In Indian-held Kashmir, terrorist attacks by Muslims, supported by Pakistani groups unchecked by, and at times supported by, the Pakistani army, have attempted to murder and terrorize the Hindus and drive them out. In India proper (a dangerous phrase, I admit, and I regret it, for it inadvertently concedes that Indian-held Kashmir somehow is different from "India proper" -- the same problem one has in referring to what is called the "West Bank" -- but cannot at the moment think of anything better than "India extra Kashmirem" on the old-map model of "India extra Gangem") there have been attacks, never or seldom reported in the West, for decades, of Muslims on Hindus. But every counter-attack by Hindus pushed to the limits of their endurance is given front-page coverage. We all know about the Hindu attacks on the mosque deliberately erected on the Hindu temple at Ayodha. We all know about the Hindu attacks on Muslims in Gujarat -- why, the State Department banned Narendra Modi, who ran the Gujarat government, from entering the United States.

But the provocations that prompted those attacks, the burning to death of Hindu pilgrims, is quickly glossed over in a sentence And all the other Muslim attacks, steadily, all over India -- those repeated bombs in Mumbai, killing bankers and tea-wallahs alike, set off by the Muslims who run the Bombay underworld (the head gangster sought, and found safe haven, in Pakistan), and even the attack by Muslims on the Parliament building in New Delhi --somehow none of them ever quite make any impression on the non-Indian world. That world remains so deeply uninterested in what is endured by Indians, and unsympathetic (but why?) to Hindus -- not quite to the same remarkable extent as the world has shown itself willing to accept the unendurable position that the Lesser Jihad has forced Israel into, but close.

And now here is Taslima Nasreen, born into Islam in Bangladesh, but whose intellect and moral sense and ability to question and think for herself led, inexorably, to an analysis of Islam, and a subsequent jettisoning of Islam, not unlike that of Ibn Warraq, Wafa Sultan, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, and Ali Sina. The Community of Apostates turns out to be, for those who study their works, the community of the very best people, self-selected, of all those born into Islam. She dares to return to Bangladesh. She is harried. She is hunted. The death threats never stop. So she moves to India, powerful large India, with a population that is 87% non-Muslim. And even there what happens? She is confined to quarters. She meets no one. No one meets her. She is, in effect, a prisoner. She has been condemned to prison, instead of being given the protection of the state that will allow her to move around, to meet, to address gatherings, to publish her views in every sense.

She should be made much of. Instead, a fearful Indian government has condemned her to solitary confinement. How long can she endure such a life in India? How long will it be before she has to flee to the United States, the way Ayaan Hirsi Ali did, driven out by death threats from the country where she had been a member of that country's Parliament?

There is something wrong here. There is something that could be fixed. It requires a different attitude by the Indian government, and by all the Infidel governments. They can run, but they can't hide.

Posted by Hugh at January 5, 2008 12:06 PM

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In India, the object of Islamic conquest that endured, over the centuries of Muslim rule and misrule, tens of millions of Hindu victims, a country that, at its Independence, was forced to give up large chunks of its territory on both sides to form West Pakistan (now Pakistan) and East Pakistan (now Bangladesh), in order to accommodate Muslim demands. In Pakistan, at Partition, 15% of the population was Hindu; it is now 1.5%. In Bangladesh, at Partition, 34% of the population was non-Muslim (Hindu and Buddhist); it is now 7%. Meanwhile, in India, the Muslim percentage of the population steadily rises. In the Pakistan-held parts of Jammu and Kashmir, 400,000 Hindu Pandits have, by Muslim pressure, been driven out. In Indian-held Kashmir, terrorist attacks by Muslims, supported by Pakistani groups unchecked by, and at times supported by, the Pakistani army, have attempted, to murder and terrorize the Hindus and drive them out. In India proper (a dangerous phrase, I admit, and I regret it - for it inadvertently concedes that Indian-held Kashmir somehow is different from "India proper" -- the same problem one has in referring to what is called the "West Bank" -- but cannot at the moment think of anything better than "India extra Kashmirem" on the old-map model of "India extra Gangem") there are attacks, never or seldom reported in the West, for decades, of Muslims on Hindus -- but every counter-attack, by Hindus pushed to the limits, are given front-page coverage. We all know about the Hindu attacks on the mosque deliberately erected on the Hindu temple at Ayodha; we all know about the Hindu attacks on Muslims in Gujarat (why, the State Department banned Narendra Modi, who ran the Gujarat government, from entering the United States), but about what prompted those attacks, the burning to death of Hindu pilgrims, is quickly glossed over in a sentence, and all the other Muslim attacks, steadily, all over India -- those repeatedbombs in Mumbai, killing bankers and tea-wallahs alike, set off by the Muslims who run the Bombay underworld (the head gangster sought, and found safe haven, in Pakistan), and even the attack by Muslims on the Parliament building in New Delhi --somehow never quite makes any impression on the non-Indian world, so deeply uninterested in what is endured by Indians, and unsympathetic (but why?) to Hindus, not quite to the same remarkable extent as the world has shown itself willing to accept the unendurable position that the Lesser Jihad has forced Israel into, but close.

And now here is Taslima Nasreen, born into Islam in Bangladesh, but whose intellect and moral sense and ability to question and think for herself led, inexorably, to an analysis of Islam, and a subsequent jettisoning of Islam, not unlike that of Ibn Warraq, Wafa Sultan, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Ali Sina. The Community of Apostates turns out to be, for those who study their works, the community of the very best people, self-selected, of all those born into Islam. She dares to return to Bangladesh. She is harried. She is hunted. The death threats never stop. So she moves to India, powerful large India, with a population that is 87% non-Muslim. And even there what happens? She is confined to quarters. She meets no one. No one meets her. She is, in effect, a prisoner. She has been condemned to prison, instead of being given the protection of the state that will allow her to move around, to meet, to address gatherings, to publish her views in every sense. She should be made much of. Instead, she has been condemned by a fearful Indian government to solitary confinement. How long can she endure such a life in India, how long before she has to flee to the United States, the way Ayaan Hirsi Ali did, driven out by death threats from the country where she had been a member of that country's Parliament?

There is something wrong here. There is something that could be fixed. It requires a different attitude by the Indian government, and by all the Infidel governments. They can run, but they can't hide.

Posted by: Hugh at January 5, 2008 6:37 AM



"There is something wrong here. There is something that could be fixed."

I'm sorry, Hugh, but you're wrong about that, and I will tell you why.

There are approximately 1.3 billion Muslims in the world at this time. The "active agents," that seek to impose their will on the rest of us, are a few percent of that number: somewhere between 50 million and 150 million persons. Not all of these are violence-inclined, but enough are to outnumber the forces of order in any non-Islamic country in the world.

As long as Muslims are admitted freely to secular nations and are treated as free and equal citizens / residents thereof, there is no way that a Taslima Nasreen can walk freely and without fear. One of them will get to her, no matter where she goes. No government anywhere can afford the expenditures of manpower and money it would take to defend her adequately; worse, adequate defensive measures would imprison her as effectively as an iron cage.

The Qur'an commands Muslims to impose themselves on the whole world, by any means expedient. Muhammad's recorded history and sayings reinforce that command. If the last few years have taught us anything, it's that there are enough adequately motivated Muslims in any of the countries of Europe to reduce those countries to chaos or shari'a, as long as Islamic militancy is regarded as a law-enforcement issue...which means, as long as Islam is welcomed in the nations of the West.

This cannot be a law-enforcement issue. It must become a war issue.

Muslims as individuals might well be overwhelmingly inclined toward peace and amicable relations with non-Muslims, but Islam the ideology is inherently at war with any nation that refuses it. Barring extraordinary good fortune such as America had with the Fort Dix Six, militant Islam's "active agents" cannot be seined from their concealment until they've struck. To safeguard ourselves from them proactively, we would have to erect a totalitarianism that would make Oceania in 1984 look like a kindergarten class picnic.

We must accept that we're on a war footing, and do what a warring people must do to survive: expel our enemies from among us and confine them where they can do us no further harm. Europe's policy has been the reverse. India's policy has been inanition. America's policy...defies quantification. This cannot continue if we wish to survive as free men.

Quarantine or genocide. There are no other options.


Posted by: Francis W. Porretto at January 5, 2008 7:18 AM


Hugh,

Great post. Thanks for sharing my sentiments!!

My two cents on the reasons for this behavior in India:

India has been pampering muslims since 1920. Thanks to a very widely known figure in the West as "Gandhi" or Mahatma Gandhi. The apostle of peace bent over his back and ensured that Muslims are pampered, so that they could contribute in India's Freedom Struggle against the British.

Gandhi's historical treachery to Hindu india, should be remembered by every non-Muslim
as "Those who forget history are condemned to repeat it". The west would be wise
from the follies committed by India's fore-fathers and see the state of India today.

The pampered lot lead by Muhammed Ali Jinnah pressurized on British to create a separate land for Muslims and that is "Pakistan" today.

The same Pakistan had also gotten Bangladesh as a part of their "Country". Can you imagine, two completely disjoint territories ruled as one, just because of Islam?

Well anyways, the party that Mahatma Gandhi established was known as Indian National Congress.
The same party is today at the centre ruling India ( as a part of UPA - United Progressive Alliance).

In India, since independence Muslims are pampered as they vote "en masse" as a Voting Block. Every party that needs to come to power use them as Voting blocks. Hence UPA government bends over backwards to accommodate the whims / fancies of Muslim fundamentalists.

Anybody sympathetic to Hindus are branded as "Fascists".

In its current reign, UPA is implementing "Muslims First" policy to pamper to Muslims more and more. As a part of this policy, national resources
for development are alloted to Muslims on a priority basis.

Thanks to the liberlization and the advent of 24x7 news channels in India, we atleast come to know that Nasreen is under house arrest. In the good old days of state controlled media, the whole affair would have been hushed up and Nasreen sent back to Bangladesh without anybody getting a whiff.

India is in real danger of being run over by Muslims due to "Liberal Democracy".

I am not sure how many readers on this site are aware of the true state in India.

India is the only country in the world to enact "Shariah" for Muslims as a "Personal"
governance . Muslims and Non-Muslims (Hindus, Christians and others) have different
personal laws.

That's precisely the reason why BJP (known in the west as the Hindu Fascist Party) was bent on implmenting - Uniform Civil Code. Muslim divorces
and Hindu divorces are treated separately.

1> Muslims can still use "Talaq, Talaq, Talaq" three times (over voice, email, sms ---
welcome technological advances!) and divorce their poor wives.

2> Muslim Wives divorced in India do not get alimony or support

3> Mulsims can marry four wives as per Islamic principles and legally practice polygamy,
but if a Hindu does it (legally), then he can be prosecuted under law.

4> They have special reservations in Government jobs, educational institutions and they
have their own university (Aligarh Muslim University).

I can go on and on...

That's the reason why Ms. Nasreen is being imprisoned in "Secular India".


Posted by: HinduInfidel at January 5, 2008 8:11 AM

January 5, 2008 8:11 AM

3 comments:

jigyasu said...

There couldnt have been a worse time for India. The lady at the helm of the ruling coalition in India personally intervened and vehemently protested against an Indian getting the Nobel Peace Prize. Breathes there a woman with soul so dead, who never to herself could say this is my own, my land.....

urbanadder22 said...

"Unfortunately India and Israel are both suffering with Moslem-placating governments of the Left, and thus, unless viciously attacked by Moslems and responding disproportionally, are little use in the [Civilized World's] as yet unrecognized struggle against the Islamic demographic and overt onslaught."
Comment by urbanadder22 — December 4, 2007 @ 6:13 am

And the United States is about to join this "coalition of losers"

گایا - حزب سبز لبه تاریکی ایران said...

جوانان ایران به جهانیان فریاد می زنند که:
اسلام یک دین اهریمنی است.
ما فهمیده ایم که محمد رسول الله یک دین اهریمنی و یک فرهنگ اهریمنی خلق کرده و مادر و دخترانش فاحشه بوده.
اکنون محمد رسول الله در جهنم است.
انگلیسی:
Iranian young people shout to all world peoples: Islam is a Satanic religion.We understand, "Mohammed messenger of Allah" has created a satanic religion and he has created a savagery culture .his mother was prostitute, and his girl was prostitute. Now "Mohammed messenger of Allah" is in the Hell.
عربی:
صيحه الشباب الإيراني إلى جميع شعوب العالم : الاسلام هو الدين شيطانيه. ونحن نفهم ، "محمد رسول الله" قد اوجد شيطانيه الدين وقال انه قد أوجد ثقافة وحشية. والدته كانت عاهره ، وكان له فتاة عاهره. الان "محمد رسول الله" هو في الجحيم.
بلغاری:
Ирански младежи Да за всички народи светът: Ислямът е религия сатанински. Ние разбираме, "Мохамед месинджър на Аллах" е създала в сатанински религия, а той е създал savagery култура. майка му е била проститутка, а момичето си е проститутка. Сега "Мохамед месинджър на Аллах" е в ада.
Translation: English » Chinese
伊朗的年轻人喊向所有世界人民:伊斯兰是一个撒旦的宗教。 据我们了解, “穆罕默德真主使者”创造了撒旦的宗教和他创造了一个野蛮的文化。 他的母亲是妓女,和他的女童被妓女。 现在“穆罕默德真主使者”是在地狱。
Translation: English » Chinese (Traditional)
伊朗的年輕人喊向所有世界人民:伊斯蘭是一個撒旦的宗教。 據我們了解, “穆罕默德真主使者”創造了撒旦的宗教和他創造了一個野蠻的文化。 他的母親是妓女,和他的女童被妓女。 現在“穆罕默德真主使者”是在地獄。
Translation: English » Croatian
Iranska mladih ljudi vikati na svim narodima svijeta: Islam je religija Satanic. Razumijemo, "Mohammed glasnik Allah" je stvorio satanic religije i on je stvorio savagery kulture. njegova majka bila prostitutka, i njegova djevojka je bila prostitutka. Sada "Mohammed glasnik Allah" je u Hell.

Translation: English » Czech

Íránský mladé lidi křičet, aby všechny národy světa: Islám je Satanské náboženství. Chápeme, "Mohammed posel Allah" vytvořila ďábelský náboženství a on vytvořil divokost kultury. Jeho matka byla prostitutka, a jeho dívka byla prostitutka. Nyní "Mohammed posel Alláh" je v pekle.

Translation: English » Danish

Iranske unge råbe til alle verdens folkeslag: Islam er en Sataniske religion. Vi kan forstå, "Mohammed budbringer af Allah" har lavet en sataniske religion, og han har skabt en grusomhed kultur. hans mor var prostitueret, og hans pige var prostitueret. Now "Mohammed budbringer af Allah" er i Helvede.

Translation: English » Dutch

Iraanse jongeren schreeuwen om alle volkeren ter wereld: de islam is een religie Satanic. We begrijpen, "Mohammed boodschapper van Allah" heeft een satanische religie en hij heeft een barbarij cultuur. zijn moeder was prostituee, en zijn meisje was prostituee. Nu "Mohammed boodschapper van Allah" is in de hel

this is posted from Iran

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